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SuperStream

jrichards

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South Burlington, VT
Aircraft Year
1978 580
Aircraft Type
Super Commander
Reg Number
N555LP
Serial Number
14405
Hi All,

Thanks for all the interest in the SuperStream Commander STC.

I am starting this thread to share the info and take the questions. Please keep this thread just to SuperStream. I'll start other threads for the other topics.

SuperStream is a change of horizontal tail incidence to lessen drag. This mod has been done in the past on a few other aircraft types, including fairly recently on one of the later Mooney models, and about 10 years ago by Robin Miley on his 112, so it's not rocket science. It has, however, taken a fair bit of work to get it engineered and certified for our fleet.

In the beginning, I saw it only as a change of incidence, but have come to frame it better as a complete refurbishment of the horizontal tail system to address the specific twists and offsets that exist on each airplane.

My test aircraft is a stock '76 114 with no speed mods except for being the inaugural SuperStream'd Commander. She was a very typical 114 before the work: truing at 149/150 at her best. She has picked up 8 knots, and is now the fastest standard-engine 114 I have ever flown (only having seen a few light early B's do as well).

Each aircraft will go through a 27-step process as attached below. I'll need two weeks for each plane, but would ask that a window of three weeks be scheduled. Some things can be checked at your end, with my guidance by telephone, to help avoid surprises at my shop.

Speed/efficiency gains will vary in accordance with the current condition of each aircraft but the 8 knots always claimed by Robin Miley seems to be a reasonable expectation when the tail has both noticeable twist (ground observation) and offset (cruise observation). I have attached a copy of our poster that illustrates what we mean by "twist" and "offset".

I decided to offer a very special deal for the first ten customers, $4,900 turn-key, or $3,900 in kit form. This price covers my labor, but doesn't return anything against my engineering and certification investment... thus after the special, the price will go to $7,900 turn-key.

We are thrilled to see so much interest, and Martine and I have decided to open the special beyond ten to anyone who would like to commit and prepay by this Friday, Oct 1. Seems we are at about 11 now.

You can evaluate the twist in your tail by putting the controls in the lock and comparing the alignment from side to side. There may also be "twist" in your tabs which can easily be spotted by comparing the tab/elevator alignment from left side to right side. The offset is evaluated in level cruise flight by looking back to see how much out-of-stream your elevators are flying. I have attached an example picture below.

If your tail is due refurbishment anyway for wear and hinge play, and/or your plane is in obvious need of a complete re-rig, it would make sense to just do the SuperStream program. As you will note from the process description, we stream the tail, and then proceed to a comprehensive whole airplane re-rig.

The fly-in was great fun.

Jim and Martine
 

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So, just to be clear, this mod is field-installable through the purchase of the "kit"? Thanks.
 
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Hi Brad,

Yes, the STC Kit price of $3,900 includes all the materials, instructions, authority and technical support by telephone and email, for the STC to be field-installed.

With that said, keep in mind that I am intimate with how to get the most speed out of rigging Commanders, so the $1,000 savings might cost you a few knots!

Jim
 
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Jim
How long does it take to install the mod and do all the other magic you do during the install
 
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I am in.
 
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I decided to offer a very special deal for the first ten customers, $4,900 turn-key, or $3,900 in kit form. This price covers my labor, but doesn't return anything against my engineering and certification investment... thus after the special, the price will go to $7,900 turn-key.

Hi Jim (and Martine),

Two easy questions:

  1. What is the post-special cost for the kit form?
  2. How many hours do you estimate for the kit installation (this may be used by some of us to determine if we wish to install it locally)?
And one harder one:

  1. When do you anticipate certification (is your data package in? Have you been through a few rounds with the FAA yet?)?

Regards,
Neal
 
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Hi Neal,

The engineering approval is done. Remaining are the final and official test flights to put what we already know into the FAA records:

No changes in stall speeds or handling.
Control forces normal and within limits.
Nose wheel hold-off authority still easily meets regs.

I may do a few pre-STC installs starting December, to be retro-logged to the STC later. We'll probably start scheduling the STC line at the door in two-week windows starting Jan 1 and anyone who can't get done by March 31, 2011 can either decide to keep on waiting in the line or take a refund.

Our labor will be at least 50 hours per airplane for the full procedure. When done in the field, it will be permissable to omit certain optional steps, but I'd guess a hard bottom of 30 hours for the minimum job.

After the special ends Friday, the kit price will go up $1,000, becoming $4,900.

Jim
 
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Jim

Great to see you getting on with the Commander mods in general, however what is the position with this one in EASA land?
 
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Hi Lawrence,

The EASA acceptance will be automatic because SuperStream is an airframe STC with no bearing on accoustics. It falls within the harmonized regs.

The special pricing is the same for you guys in EASA-land except that I guarantee EASA acceptance and will refund your pre-pays if for any reason I cannot ship the STC Kits by June 30, 2011.

Deadline is this Friday, Oct 1, for the special kit price of USD 3,900. A fax of your posted check, or a wire would be fine.

Thanks,
Jim
 
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Hi All,

Aerodyme checking in... out of 9, headed higher, SuperStreamers.
Thank you all very much the support.

Jim
 
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Hi Jim:

I'm glad to have been the first to buy the "SuperStream" upgrade! When can we get started?


-Gary
 
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Hi Gary,

Yes, outside of the charter backers of this project: Dave Curtin, Todd Miller, and Rob Harrison, you were the first to come on board, and we appreciate your enthusiasm and support very much.

I am scheduling the installations in two-week windows starting Jan 1. Let me know what windows might work best for you.

Jim
 
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Hi Jim,

Your project inspired me to check my plane carefully for twist and offset. I have already checked twist and found CPAC's recent rigging must have been very good because the difference is about 1/32, maybe less.

I hope to fly tomorrow to check offset. I suppose my question is if my twist is neglible and my offset ends up being similiarly neglible how much will this impact the potential benefit I could expect from SuperStream? Would you anticipate a 3-4 knot gain even without twist and offset issues?
Thanks.

Keith
 
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Hi Keith,

I am wickedly good at rigging Commanders, so they usually gain a few knots by visiting me, but if you have no appreciable twist or offset, the stab incidence change and center fitting rebuild would not be worthwhile.

What are you seeing for KTAS?

Jim
 
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Hi All,

Out of 12, climbing...

Jim
 
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Hi All,

We realize that Vermont is not in the travel plans for all of you, and at the suggestion of Jeff Schweitzer, we are making preliminary arrangements to run an "Aerodyme West" in the Chandler area (Stellar / P19) in the April timeframe next year. Our fellow owner, Tom Coury (N6038Z) is based there and has graciously offered to host the SuperStream clinic. Tom has two hangars: one at Mesa that could be used for staging arriving and departing Commanders, and the one at P19 we would use to do the conversions. AZ is nice in April and maybe some of you WOULD like to put that in your travel plans.

Jeff is on board, and of course Tom would get a freebie, but it would take a few more of you to swing the logistics on this and help me amortize my extra costs.

I hope this might help a few more of you benefit from the $4,900 turn-key price which is a very good price for the 27-step SuperStreaming process that we are planning at 50 hrs per airplane.

Let me know if this clinic would make a difference for any of you.

Out of 14, and still climbing.

Thanks,
Jim
 
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Hi All,

Thanks for your support of Aerodyme, and the SuperStream project.

Commitments stand at 14 plus a few more I expect to today. The special early-bird prices expire today, so please let me know if you are coming on board so we can be fair to everyone.

Jim
 
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Jim,

I'd be interested in the clinic in Chandler next April. VT is a bit far
for us in SoCal.
 
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Jim, if and when I get my plane back I would be interested in the April event at Chandler Airport.
 
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Hi Pete,

I understand your special circumstances. Keep me posted.

Jim
 
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