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[gmores]

Hmmm...do you have to upgrade to Pro 1000 to get an HSI? I've been reading up on it and all it says is the E5 has a DG...

Mike

That's my understanding Mike. With the E5 you get a DG but a software upgrade will make it into a Max.

However the way they implement the CDI in the instrument is very interesting - some videos on the Aspen site showing the operation. I'm replacing a very tired vac ADI & DG, so this option was very attractive compared to an overhaul of those components. Plus I don't need to purchase a CDI for the new Garmin GNX 375.

In my case I've never had an HSI so I wouldn't miss it. But if down the line they were to wave an attractive software upgrade offer at me, I could be tempted.

My install is scheduled for next month and I'll be sure to get some pictures including in-flight.

 

[alim]

Hmmm...do you have to upgrade to Pro 1000 to get an HSI? I've been reading up on it and all it says is the E5 has a DG...

Mike

Hi.

The E5 is DG only.
HSI starts at the PRO.

 

[BUFDRVR]

That's my understanding Mike. With the E5 you get a DG but a software upgrade will make it into a Max.

However the way they implement the CDI in the instrument is very interesting - some videos on the Aspen site showing the operation. I'm replacing a very tired vac ADI & DG, so this option was very attractive compared to an overhaul of those components. Plus I don't need to purchase a CDI for the new Garmin GNX 375.

In my case I've never had an HSI so I wouldn't miss it. But if down the line they were to wave an attractive software upgrade offer at me, I could be tempted.

My install is scheduled for next month and I'll be sure to get some pictures including in-flight.

Yeah, I'm kind of hesitant to give up my HSI. Out of my 4,000+ hours, I've only got a few flying a DG and none of that was in IMC. I've got till my annual in April to make a call...I'm going to have to think this one through. I REALLY like the look of the Aspen though...

Mike

 

[alim]

Yeah, I'm kind of hesitant to give up my HSI. Out of my 4,000+ hours, I've only got a few flying a DG and none of that was in IMC. I've got till my annual in April to make a call...I'm going to have to think this one through. I REALLY like the look of the Aspen though...

Mike

why not leave your HSI in ?
Then later - when you do upgrade - you then give it up.

Problem with the G5 is is that - yes its a lower cost point. But then it starts locking you into limited functionality with no clear roadmap to more.
Any improvements that Garmin would make to G5 - they have to figure out how not to cannibalize the G500 market. So it will remain fairly limited.

With the Aspen, you can invest into the features you want - it has a clear roadmap. And is competing with the G5 and the G500 platform on both ends.

i am not knocking the G5 - it does what its meant to do well. But thats all it will do. I will happily install one on the co-pilot side for my daughter to use in a couple of yrs. -

2 x G5s >> exceeds an Aspen E5 -(HSI, etc.)
2 x G5s << don't add up to 1 x Aspen pro.
1 x G500 is kinda equal ~= to 2 x Aspen Pros. (at a similar price point).

2 x Aspen Pros just run away from the G500 because of legacy Autopilot support. Garmin will never certify the GFC for our birds and isn't willing to play nice with non-GFC autopilots.

 

[BUFDRVR]

why not leave your HSI in ?
Then later - when you do upgrade - you then give it up.

Problem with the G5 is is that - yes its a lower cost point. But then it starts locking you into limited functionality with no clear roadmap to more.
Any improvements that Garmin would make to G5 - they have to figure out how not to cannibalize the G500 market. So it will remain fairly limited.

With the Aspen, you can invest into the features you want - it has a clear roadmap. And is competing with the G5 and the G500 platform on both ends.

i am not knocking the G5 - it does what its meant to do well. But thats all it will do. I will happily install one on the co-pilot side for my daughter to use in a couple of yrs. -

2 x G5s >> exceeds an Aspen E5 -(HSI, etc.)
2 x G5s << don't add up to 1 x Aspen pro.
1 x G500 is kinda equal ~= to 2 x Aspen Pros. (at a similar price point).

2 x Aspen Pros just run away from the G500 because of legacy Autopilot support. Garmin will never certify the GFC for our birds and isn't willing to play nice with non-GFC autopilots.

I hadn't thought about that option. 2 x G5 isn't an option since the G5 in ADI mode will not drive my AP. At this point, my options are a KI-300 ADI and G5 HSI or an Aspen E5-to-Pro (analog HSI ditched)-to-Max (if I decided to go that far). I'll have to take a close look at my panel this weekend to see the space requirement for an Aspen + my King HSI.

Mike

 

[alim]

If you publish a picture of your panel - we can comment on the least disruptive option(s)

my panel has been a 20 yr journey and never cut - as i never reached some desired end-state (i am close now) but some minor tweaks left.

 

[Jaybird]

Here's some new instrumentation coming down the certification pike pilots are talking about at my field. No panel surgery involved. Nice G5 look-alike and AI which interfaces to legacy S-TEC autopilots....same people Glenn talks about for tailbeacon ADSB...many pardons if this was mentioned already.

https://uavionix.com/products/av-30/

 

[alim]

jay - this is a nice contender for me when i rip out the AI when i get the Aspen Max.
At $1600 with more functionality than a G5 - its well placed. STC expected 2020.

It's not an Aspen but i don't see anything that a G5 does that this can't do.

 

[gmores]

Both that AV-30 and the smaller AV-20 are both neat looking products. Jeff Bethel, the founder of AeroVonics (the company that uAvionix acquired to get these products) was co-founder of Aspen so I'm not too surprised at the functionality and utility.

I'm also intrigued by the AV-20S - quite a bit of functionality in a 2" device for $895. Even has an internal 30-minute battery.

 

[gmores]

I've been exploring my options in "going glass" but there appear to be few actual options for my KFC-200. I've figured out I either go with a KI-300 ADI with a G5 HSI which should cost $8422 + install or the Aspen option at $12,990 + install (just Pro, not Pro Max). Obviously you get A LOT more for the additional $4K from Aspen but I'm not sure its worth it...

Mike

Update Mike - Aspen just switched the Evolution E5 main display from a basic DG to a HSI. No price change to the unit itself.

 

[alim]

My Aspen 2K is doing fine.
My pre-existing vacuum Attitude indicator is now on an accelerated path to failure.

I flew from PA to RDU yesterday. It was dancing the whole way. I wouldn't fly the airplane IMC like this. Stayed VFR the whole way. Was a bumpy ride south of Richmond.

Now considering replacement of the Vac AI once i get back North (spring).

- L3 ESI 500 and SAI 340 are approved candidates.

 

[Commander91gm]

I have the G5 and I like it but there's a lot to be said about not having to modify the panel. Interesting product!

 

[BUFDRVR]

Update Mike - Aspen just switched the Evolution E5 main display from a basic DG to a HSI. No price change to the unit itself.

Interesting...so, let me see if I understand all that's involved to tie this in to my King autopilot...$4,495 for the E5 + $3,075 for the EA100 + $2,480 for the ACU = $10,050 + install. Is that correct?

Mike

 

[gmores]

Interesting...so, let me see if I understand all that's involved to tie this in to my King autopilot...$4,495 for the E5 + $3,075 for the EA100 + $2,480 for the ACU = $10,050 + install. Is that correct?

Mike

Not sure for your King AP, but with my STEC 30 w/alt I only needed the ACU and cost for that add-on was $1K. So I'm $6K total for Aspen.

 

[BUFDRVR]

Not sure for your King AP, but with my STEC 30 w/alt I only needed the ACU and cost for that add-on was $1K. So I'm $6K total for Aspen.

I definitely need the EA100 for my attitude tied King Autopilot. ACU currently lists for $2,480.

Mike