Pat
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Sturgis, MI
- Aircraft Year
- 1993
- Aircraft Type
- 114B/115
- Reg Number
- N374JW
- Serial Number
- 14595
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Boeing Buys ForeFlight
- Thread starter Pat
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N4843W
New member
SE MI
- Aircraft Year
- 1977
- Aircraft Type
- 114
- Reg Number
- N4843W
- Serial Number
- 14173
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
In my 45 years in business I have yet to see a single instance where any good came of a huge corporation buying a small, entrepreneurial one. My last 30+ years in the homebuilding industry, working with more than 250 builders there have been continual instances of this. Another one announced every week. The marginally profitable Lennars, KB Homes, Pultes, DR Hortons of the home builder world buying out very profitable little guys who make double what the big nationals make. Within 2 years, 90% of those in the small firm have left and the purchased operation is now making what the big smart genius guys who bought them are making ... about half. Don't believe all the "synergy & reduced cost" hype. It just never proves out. Incredible that Wall Street continues to be suckered by the merger and buy-out rhetoric. "Remember UPSAT!" (and switch to FlyQ.)
In my 45 years in business I have yet to see a single instance where any good came of a huge corporation buying a small, entrepreneurial one. My last 30+ years in the homebuilding industry, working with more than 250 builders there have been continual instances of this. Another one announced every week. The marginally profitable Lennars, KB Homes, Pultes, DR Hortons of the home builder world buying out very profitable little guys who make double what the big nationals make. Within 2 years, 90% of those in the small firm have left and the purchased operation is now making what the big smart genius guys who bought them are making ... about half. Don't believe all the "synergy & reduced cost" hype. It just never proves out. Incredible that Wall Street continues to be suckered by the merger and buy-out rhetoric. "Remember UPSAT!" (and switch to FlyQ.)
N4843W
New member
SE MI
- Aircraft Year
- 1977
- Aircraft Type
- 114
- Reg Number
- N4843W
- Serial Number
- 14173
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
Sometimes they'll hold off for 6 months to a year, rarely more than that. The only Big firm with a reputation for leaving their purchases alone as long as they perform is Berkshire Hathaway.
Remember when Boeing bought Jeppessen? That's when all innovation at Jepp died and their prices went up.
Sometimes they'll hold off for 6 months to a year, rarely more than that. The only Big firm with a reputation for leaving their purchases alone as long as they perform is Berkshire Hathaway.
Remember when Boeing bought Jeppessen? That's when all innovation at Jepp died and their prices went up.
Burlington, WI
- Aircraft Year
- 1976
- Aircraft Type
- 112/A
- Reg Number
- N1456J - IO-390
- Serial Number
- 456
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
The Foreflight booth at Oshkosh is always swamped. I use Garmin Pilot, cuz it started as a freebee. I’ve stuck with it now that it’s a paid subscription. I had pondered if I should switch. I’ll hang with Garmin for now.
The Foreflight booth at Oshkosh is always swamped. I use Garmin Pilot, cuz it started as a freebee. I’ve stuck with it now that it’s a paid subscription. I had pondered if I should switch. I’ll hang with Garmin for now.
N4843W
New member
SE MI
- Aircraft Year
- 1977
- Aircraft Type
- 114
- Reg Number
- N4843W
- Serial Number
- 14173
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
Look hard at FlyQ. you can dowload and test for free. Their new 4.0 is coming out shortly. All of them do the basic stuff very well, ForeFlight, Garman Pilot, WingX, FlyQ, but FlyQ does it in fewer "clicks" plus many things others do not. I know one new feature in FlyQ 4.0 is an integrated logbook.
Look hard at FlyQ. you can dowload and test for free. Their new 4.0 is coming out shortly. All of them do the basic stuff very well, ForeFlight, Garman Pilot, WingX, FlyQ, but FlyQ does it in fewer "clicks" plus many things others do not. I know one new feature in FlyQ 4.0 is an integrated logbook.
Kitchener, Ontario
- Aircraft Year
- 1972
- Aircraft Type
- 112/A
- Reg Number
- Previous owner of C-FFOM
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
I am with Scott....no good will come of this..... I expect the product development will be pushed towards heavy commercial / military aviation and the value priced GA stuff will just get more expensive. Been using FF since inception and the prices have gone way up but so has the quality and value. Need an app that the Lynx will connect to for traffic (FF does) and looks like FlyQ does.
I am with Scott....no good will come of this..... I expect the product development will be pushed towards heavy commercial / military aviation and the value priced GA stuff will just get more expensive. Been using FF since inception and the prices have gone way up but so has the quality and value. Need an app that the Lynx will connect to for traffic (FF does) and looks like FlyQ does.
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BUFDRVR
New member
Tampa, FL
- Aircraft Type
- Other
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
Well, if they raise the price ONE PENNY, I'm jumping ship to Garmin! I'm already pissed off I had to buy a new iPad Mini because their new software version overwhelmed my TWO YEAR OLD Mini and it kept crashing. A price raise will be the last straw. I've never used any other EFB (starting using Foreflight in the USAF), but I'm a quick learner!!
Mike
Well, if they raise the price ONE PENNY, I'm jumping ship to Garmin! I'm already pissed off I had to buy a new iPad Mini because their new software version overwhelmed my TWO YEAR OLD Mini and it kept crashing. A price raise will be the last straw. I've never used any other EFB (starting using Foreflight in the USAF), but I'm a quick learner!!
Mike
Circle Pines, MN
- Aircraft Year
- 1974
- Aircraft Type
- 112/A
- Reg Number
- N1215J
- Serial Number
- 215
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
Tony, I replaced a failing transponder a year and a half ago with the Lynx so I could keep using FlyQ and never looked back. In fact, I purchased a lifetime subscription. I believe I am saving money �� in the long run. I am amazed every time I look at the iPad displaying the moving map. We truly live in magnificent times.
Tony, I replaced a failing transponder a year and a half ago with the Lynx so I could keep using FlyQ and never looked back. In fact, I purchased a lifetime subscription. I believe I am saving money �� in the long run. I am amazed every time I look at the iPad displaying the moving map. We truly live in magnificent times.
Georgetown, DE
- Aircraft Year
- 1975
- Aircraft Type
- 112-390
- Reg Number
- N1410J
- Serial Number
- 410
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
Doesn't FlyQ need some additional component to work with the GTX345? Haven't had time to look into that but something is tickling my memory. Obviously, I have a 345 installed...
Doesn't FlyQ need some additional component to work with the GTX345? Haven't had time to look into that but something is tickling my memory. Obviously, I have a 345 installed...
jukelemon
New member
Louisville, KY
- Aircraft Year
- 1977
- Aircraft Type
- 112B Hot Shot
- Reg Number
- N377SB
- Serial Number
- 526
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
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Georgetown, DE
- Aircraft Year
- 1975
- Aircraft Type
- 112-390
- Reg Number
- N1410J
- Serial Number
- 410
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
Thanks. Kind of a non-starter for me for now. I spent the extra $$ on the 345 to avoid needing an extra ADS-B box hanging on the window.
Thanks. Kind of a non-starter for me for now. I spent the extra $$ on the 345 to avoid needing an extra ADS-B box hanging on the window.
N4843W
New member
SE MI
- Aircraft Year
- 1977
- Aircraft Type
- 114
- Reg Number
- N4843W
- Serial Number
- 14173
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
This is exactly why I would rather NOT go with Garmin. They make it as difficult as possible. FlyQ works with 20 other systems ... wants to work with Garmin ... but Garmin won't allow it. Just BS.
This is exactly why I would rather NOT go with Garmin. They make it as difficult as possible. FlyQ works with 20 other systems ... wants to work with Garmin ... but Garmin won't allow it. Just BS.
Georgetown, DE
- Aircraft Year
- 1975
- Aircraft Type
- 112-390
- Reg Number
- N1410J
- Serial Number
- 410
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
No argument in general but Foreflight works seamlessly with the 345. I'll stick until the pain of staying put is greater than the pain of moving...
No argument in general but Foreflight works seamlessly with the 345. I'll stick until the pain of staying put is greater than the pain of moving...
Chip
New member
LaGrande, OR
- Aircraft Year
- 1973
- Aircraft Type
- 112 Hot Shot
- Reg Number
- N1085J
- Serial Number
- 85
Re: Boeing Buys ForeFlight
FlyQ (and Pilot) is still a back seat to Foreflight, especially for IFR flights. Getting approach plates to overlay enroute charts is problematic with FlyQ. Also, Foreflight has much better Nav access on the top of the chart. Adding waypoints at the last minute is simple. Not so with FlyQ. I'll stick with Foreflight as long as the prices stay reasonable.
For a comparison look at this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jayHJeCvvcM
FlyQ (and Pilot) is still a back seat to Foreflight, especially for IFR flights. Getting approach plates to overlay enroute charts is problematic with FlyQ. Also, Foreflight has much better Nav access on the top of the chart. Adding waypoints at the last minute is simple. Not so with FlyQ. I'll stick with Foreflight as long as the prices stay reasonable.
For a comparison look at this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jayHJeCvvcM
JimParker256
New member
McKinney, TX
- Aircraft Year
- 1965 Champion 7ECA
- Aircraft Type
- Other
- Reg Number
- N9502S
- Serial Number
- 243
I think reviews like this, done by someone with minimal experience with FlyQ, but with multiple years of using ForeFlight, can be very deceptive and confusing. I think his intentions were good, but he put a lot of bad information out there. Gee, what a surprise that it's easier to use the product that you're used to... And if you don't bother to even watch the online tutorials for FlyQ, then I would agree that it's going to be a lot harder to do what you want to do with FlyQ. But reverse the situation, and you'd also reverse the findings...
I hear every day "I cannot stand using Android. It is so counter-intuitive." And the other person responds, "You're crazy! The Apple user interface sucks! Android is far more intuitive and easy to use." Of course, statement 1 came from an iPhone/iPad user, while statement 2 came from a Samsung phone/tablet user. In flight instructing, this is called the law of primacy: What we learn first, we remember best. I started on ForeFlight – long before FlyQ came into existence, and know it inside/out and backwards/forwards. But now I'm trying to use both FF and FlyQ, so I can use either in a pinch. Things that were mysterious to me in FlyQ before watching the tutorials are MUCH clearer now. In all honesty, I still think ForeFlight's user interface is the better of the two in most areas, but I'm starting to get the hang of FlyQ, and to be able to figure out where things probably are. And it is unquestionably a "fewer steps to get the answer" solution. Rarely does it take more than 2-3 taps on the screen to get what you need, or to change a setting.
During the time I owned my Commander (Garmin 430W and Avidyne EX-500), I can count on one finger the number of times I was able to successfully update my Jeppesen data without having to call Jepp support to manually "fix" something and allow re-starts. On one occasion, it took about 5 calls to finally get the data updated. (Not to mention that at least one of those updates destroyed the card I was using, so I had to buy a new one – at a breathtaking price! So I'm hoping for the best from the Boeing acquisition, but planning for the worst by re-visiting the FlyQ tutorials, and practicing with it on the ground until I gain the proficiency I have with FF.
If Boeing screws up ForeFlight, as they did with Jeppesen, then I'll just switch to FlyQ permanently, and be done with it. I already have the "lifetime subscription" for FlyQ, so the $$ vote that way anyway!
Chip
New member
LaGrande, OR
- Aircraft Year
- 1973
- Aircraft Type
- 112 Hot Shot
- Reg Number
- N1085J
- Serial Number
- 85
Jim, I appreciate your comments and agree. One review is never sufficient. An example, I have used Jeppesen for IFR charts for about 15 years. I have never had an issue updating either my 430 or my iPad. Your experiences are not familiar to me. I have called them a few times to get info on a new download app, but never a bad experience. They have helped me get trip packs for Canada flights with no issues. I hope FlyQ is as good as Foreflight, but I won't change until I need to.