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Universal Cowling

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Carl,

Any plans for a latch for the upper to lower or will your setup use screws along the sides of halves?

Will your kit include gear doors?

Will the lower cowl have formed openings for dual exhaust (114)?

Did you mention the cost?

Very interested!!
I'd like to do away with those draggy side scoops and modify to the B model setup of oil cooler in rear of the baffle and go with an internal air intake inside the cowl. (The B and TC Cowls are longer with a prop spacer to lengthen the overall cowl)
Think a 337 would cover all our grand ideas???

Like you need another project, but this may be an excellent time to brushoff or release a new 'wing light' kit / mod / STC for the leading edges.
 
Re: Universal Cowling

Carl,

Any plans for a latch for the upper to lower or will your setup use screws along the sides of halves?

Will your kit include gear doors?

Will the lower cowl have formed openings for dual exhaust (114)?

Did you mention the cost?

Very interested!!
I'd like to do away with those draggy side scoops and modify to the B model setup of oil cooler in rear of the baffle and go with an internal air intake inside the cowl. (The B and TC Cowls are longer with a prop spacer to lengthen the overall cowl)
Think a 337 would cover all our grand ideas???

Like you need another project, but this may be an excellent time to brushoff or release a new 'wing light' kit / mod / STC for the leading edges.
The lack of side scoops brings into question my intercooler and oil cooler.

Would you just tap off the back of the top engine baffle - one side for each?
 
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Universal cowl - Fabrication of scoops, oil door, exhaust outlets would be your responsibility.
 
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Universal cowl - Fabrication of scoops, oil door, exhaust outlets would be your responsibility.

Exactly correct.

The scoops could easily be cut from your existing cowling and molded into place, or a simple mold could be made from the originals, and new scoops made.

I'm working on a latching system to replace the original latches, but the original latches were just common off the shelf cabinet latches that could easily be added back if you wanted to keep with the original set-up.

The oil filler doors can be recycled.

The exhaust can be cut through wherever you need it.

It comes with new gear doors for the early short door set-up. If you have the long doors, you would just keep using them as they are.

I was thinking around 4K add 700 if you want carbon fiber + 300 shipping + 200 if you need the gear doors.
 
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I would be interested in a carbon fiber model. What is your timing?
 
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Universal cowl - Fabrication of scoops, oil door, exhaust outlets would be your responsibility.
Understood but my question is really getting away from the scoops i.e. could you do a ram air inlet on the right and left side of the top baffle and cool that way?
 
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I'm still in carbon fiber option for me.
 
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Great work Carl! Solves a huge problem for the group.
 
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Carl, I hope you are going to use the oil filler doors with the two locking mechanisms! can you provide those as part of the cowl ?

Kiko

Exactly correct.

The scoops could easily be cut from your existing cowling and molded into place, or a simple mold could be made from the originals, and new scoops made.

I'm working on a latching system to replace the original latches, but the original latches were just common off the shelf cabinet latches that could easily be added back if you wanted to keep with the original set-up.

The oil filler doors can be recycled.

The exhaust can be cut through wherever you need it.

It comes with new gear doors for the early short door set-up. If you have the long doors, you would just keep using them as they are.

I was thinking around 4K add 700 if you want carbon fiber + 300 shipping + 200 if you need the gear doors.
 
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I would be interested in a carbon fiber model. What is your timing?

I've produced 2 of them already, and are fitting them now:-) I'm not sure if Transport Canada will allow you to produce your own parts though?
 
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Carl
Will the engine baffles from a B model fit your cowl? If so the oil cooler could be moved and the B air filter could be used. This would reduce air drag and be lighter. I would doubt the new exhaust would fit but it would nice to elimate the stacks from the bottom.
Also, does this help Richards with his new cowl that he has been working on?
 
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Carl
Will the engine baffles from a B model fit your cowl? If so the oil cooler could be moved and the B air filter could be used. This would reduce air drag and be lighter. I would doubt the new exhaust would fit but it would nice to elimate the stacks from the bottom.
Also, does this help Richards with his new cowl that he has been working on?

All of that is possible, and would be at the discretion of the owner and his mechanic. It would be very well suited for the 112, and 114 Super because the side scoops are already eliminated, and it would help to offset the weight increase. I think JR is working on some kinda snorkel intake that separates the intake air into each cylinder individually, so probably not to helpful for that.
 
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Carl
Thank you for the fast response
You did a great job on the cowl
 
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When I acquired 4JA the first thing my wife asked was, 'is there something we could do about the ugly spider cracks running along the top of the upper cowl' (around the oil access panel). After a few flights through some heavy rain I now have 'chunks' of glass falling off in various spots that I've attempted to cover with decals . . :o

So when you announced your cowl setup I'm elated for the opportunity to address that 'old' (40 yr old) eyesore that's in real need of attention.

While the little guy on my right shoulder is dancing a jig :)- his counterpart on my left shoulder is clinching his fists and wanting more:( . . . .

I think I speak for most of the line guys out here. (and just my 2 cents) but what we'd prefer to get (and if necessary pay for) is a completed setup. Not a project requiring another project.
At a minimum I'd like pre-made;
- Fasteners for the upper to lower. (What are the thoughts about a hinge / rod setup?) I personally like my original type 'cabinet latch' w/dzus in the inlet for ease but screws would work as well.
- Oil and gasolater access panels
- Exhaust Ports

I would leave the lower side scoops (oil cooler and air) as an option.
Same for the gear doors

I'm just having a hard time visualizing my 'local' maintenance team cutting and gluing away on my brand new cowls . . .

I really appreciate your / any efforts in providing a solution to the cowl demand. And maybe after a few members report back on how their mod's went I'll change my tune . . .
Thanks!!,
John
 
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When I acquired 4JA the first thing my wife asked was, 'is there something we could do about the ugly spider cracks running along the top of the upper cowl' (around the oil access panel). After a few flights through some heavy rain I now have 'chunks' of glass falling off in various spots that I've attempted to cover with decals . . :o

So when you announced your cowl setup I'm elated for the opportunity to address that 'old' (40 yr old) eyesore that's in real need of attention.

While the little guy on my right shoulder is dancing a jig :)- his counterpart on my left shoulder is clinching his fists and wanting more:( . . . .

I think I speak for most of the line guys out here. (and just my 2 cents) but what we'd prefer to get (and if necessary pay for) is a completed setup. Not a project requiring another project.
At a minimum I'd like pre-made;
- Fasteners for the upper to lower. (What are the thoughts about a hinge / rod setup?) I personally like my original type 'cabinet latch' w/dzus in the inlet for ease but screws would work as well.
- Oil and gasolater access panels
- Exhaust Ports

I would leave the lower side scoops (oil cooler and air) as an option.
Same for the gear doors

I'm just having a hard time visualizing my 'local' maintenance team cutting and gluing away on my brand new cowls . . .

I really appreciate your / any efforts in providing a solution to the cowl demand. And maybe after a few members report back on how their mod's went I'll change my tune . . .
Thanks!!,
John

Hi John,

Thanks for making this post. It brings up a lot of important points, and gets to the heart of a lot of my thoughts, concerns, and challenges with this project.

The problems we are facing with the original cowlings are multi faceted.

1) They are old. 40 plus years old.
2) They weren't that well made. There are numerous flaws in them and the surface is very wavy. (unfortunately the B cowlings are not that great either – kinda a missed opportunity for Commander - oh well!)
3) They are not “really” repairable. The fiberglass work is very poor. There's a dry layer in the middle, if you cut into one of them you will find that the fiberglass in the middle was not properly impregnated with resin, so what you end up with is an inner and outer shell that expands and contracts at different rates. This results in cracking. You can fill the cracks over and over as much as you like, but they will always return.
4) To grind down the surface, and rebuild the structure of the existing cowl would require such an extensive amount of work that it would be no different than producing a whole new one.

The challenges in building a new cowl are also multi faceted.

1) The oil filler doors are in different places on the 112 vs the 114.
2) The exhaust exit ports are in different places on the 112 vs the 114.
3) The Hot Shots don't have a landing light nacelle.
4) The 112 Supers don't need a left scoop.
5) The 114 Supers don't need a right or left scoop.
6) The Camarillo Aircraft 114's have naca scoops.
7) Some would like to eliminate their scoops and go with the 114B arrangement.

For me to address all of these needs individually would be impossible to accomplish with my limited budget, and would take the project way outside the boundaries of “Universal”. Once I get outside the realm of offering a universal platform that an owner can build into a part to suit his own individual needs, and start offering a part that a purchaser can take home and install without any modification, I've crossed the line into needing to get FAA certification. This would be a 5 year+ $100K+ project. The Commander market would never return the investment (I doubt I will ever get back what I have already invested in this project). I started this years ago when I had higher hopes for the Commander fleet. They are very nice airplanes – I love mine, but there simply aren't enough of them, and the values are too low to make pursuing a project like this any further feasible. It's the best I can do.

I am working on a latch system that would be better than the original, and better than the hinge, or screw arrangement. But, it may not pass your mechanic's scrutiny for “Same As”, so, for some, going back to the original might be the only option.

I should have started out at the beginning of this thread by saying "these are just a platform to give you a head-start in making an owner produced part to replace a part of your plane that is beyond repair". It's designed for a skilled mechanic/craftsman.

Thanks again for your post:-)
 
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Carl
You stated the goal and parameters of this project very well. Outstanding results. This cowl is one of the best items to keep our fleet flying. The cowling is the first thing people see when they look close at a Commander. Appearance is anyways the first thing on the list of “this is what I want and I want to look farther” and then performance (weight and strength). Well done on all counts.
What is next on your list?
 
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Carl-
I have enjoyed your presentations at the fly-ins. You have shared with us the challenges fleet "improvements" involve. I'm in business and no matter how much we love our airplanes, the venture has to make business sense.

To produce a finished product for the fleet would take more resources than Bouri has brought to the table!

Having said that:

I've worked my cowlings over quite a bit. Yes, the layers are a problem and numerous previous repairs are a challenge. I've been lucky to have talented body guys (some with fiberglass experience), assist me over the years.

If I had been forced to purchase a cowling after my deer strike, the airplane would have totaled. We did it ourselves and didn't bill insurance even close to what an "airplane shop" would have billed for the work.

To the point:

These cowlings are repairable. Any auto body shop with fiberglass experience can do it. The challenge is to cleanse the oil from them to make the repairs stick.

The weight savings in your plan is the enticement for me. Of course, with our TC issues, I'm not sure I'll start again. But I'm glad your putting your expertise to work for the fleet.k
 
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Carl-
I have enjoyed your presentations at the fly-ins. You have shared with us the challenges fleet "improvements" involve. I'm in business and no matter how much we love our airplanes, the venture has to make business sense.

To produce a finished product for the fleet would take more resources than Bori has brought to the table!

Having said that:

I've worked my cowlings over quite a bit. Yes, the layers are a problem and numerous previous repairs are a challenge. I've been lucky to have talented body guys (some with fiberglass experience), assist me over the years.

If I had been forced to purchase a cowling after my deer strike, the airplane would have totaled. We did it ourselves and didn't bill insurance even close to what an "airplane shop" would have billed for the work.

To the point:

These cowlings are repairable. Any auto body shop with fiberglass experience can do it. The challenge is to cleanse the oil from them to make the repairs stick.

The weight savings in your plan is the enticement for me. Of course, with our TC issues, I'm not sure I'll start again. But I'm glad your putting your expertise to work for the fleet.k

Thanks Kelly!

I wish I had more to offer the TC/TCA guys. I think if someone wanted to take it on it wouldn't take too much to make it work. There would need to be some custom work done on the lower cowl, but could end up with a nice finished part in the end.
 
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