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Long Trip ended with a bit of excitement

Re: Long Trip ended with a bit of excitement

Bill

I was under the impression that the dump valve released the pressure which is holding the gear up but as it is displaced the other side of the piston is filling. This should mean that there isn't an overabundance of fluid going back to the pump. If there was then it would be from air being introduced into the system which does not happen.

After an emergency dump the system pressurizes normally and doesn't cycle any longer than usual to purge any air.

Do I have this right?

Believe it is a function of speed req'd to move the fluid into the low pressure side of the cylinder. It is drawn in, so no air, but the fluid is not under presurre. If you note Figure 3.2 in the hydraulics section, you will note the dump valve returns the fluid to the reservoir through Port "D" (quite rapidly as you will note) fluid can be drawn back into into through Port "C" but the pump isn't directing the flow and fluid can be building up inside the reservoir faster than it will flow back through the manifold/check valve system w/o the aid of the pump. The vent is a convenient path of least resistance purge point but only to the degree necessary to temporarily accommodate the excess fluid. Eventually the reservoir fluid reaches a level where the dump doesn't overwhelm the reservoirs capacity when allowing for the bypass flow into the low pressure side of the system.

Again, isn't an issue if the reservoir isn't completely full and may vary a bit depending upon pump/manifold/check valve/etc. condition. The reservoir will still carry sufficient fluid to operate the system when it reaches the "accommodating" level. When overhauling my pump last year, I had the "opportunity" to experiment with the system and observed this condition.
 
Re: Long Trip ended with a bit of excitement

Bill

As always - THANKS!!
 
Re: Long Trip ended with a bit of excitement

Hey Bill and Joel a theory - the Em dump action initiates a transfer of HF from the High Pr side to the Low Pr side & BB very clearly explained the reasons and amounts that may vent out - my theory says that the speed at which the Hi Pr to Low Pr transfer occurs is a function of the speed of teh airplane - hence we 114s loose very little fluid compared to you slow 112s with the exception of Scott whose airplane looses a lot of fluid even more that a 112 because the HF is repelled by all that green paint!

Seriously there's a bit of a germ of reality in this - the newest 114Bs (1994 on I think) changed over to the very robust Advanced Industries Hyd Pack replacing the Airright (might be Air Wright) ones in the older 114s. I had mine changed by the factory (Oke City) to this more robust model and I can attest to its robustness - it definitely heavy duty and has no real life limit and so won't need serviucing (readers correct me if I am wrong on its life).
 
Re: Long Trip ended with a bit of excitement

Sid

Did not know of the change. I thought they all had the Prestolite pumps.
Honestly - if I ever have to use the dump valve (other than tests) Hydraulic fluid coming out of the vent probably won't be what I am thinking about.

When the Prestolite pump fails is there an upgrade path to the newer pump you have installed?
 
Re: Long Trip ended with a bit of excitement

Sid


When the Prestolite pump fails is there an upgrade path to the newer pump you have installed?


I'm interested in the answer to Joel's question too...
Would this later model power pak be useable in models earlier that the 114B? I have a TCA and am sure this will be one of the projects required soon. Would be nice to know if it's possible to upgrade other models vs. just overhaul the standard pump???
 
Re: Long Trip ended with a bit of excitement

I'm interested in the answer to Joel's question too...
Would this later model power pak be useable in models earlier that the 114B? I have a TCA and am sure this will be one of the projects required soon. Would be nice to know if it's possible to upgrade other models vs. just overhaul the standard pump???

Both pumps that Sid is referring to require 28v electrical systems (so no, they cannot be upgraded to without changing over to 28v which would be a huge effort).

Regards,
Neal
 
Re: Long Trip ended with a bit of excitement

Thanks Neal!!
 
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