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Green, or Not!

jrichards

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South Burlington, VT
Aircraft Year
1978 580
Aircraft Type
Super Commander
Reg Number
N555LP
Serial Number
14405
Hi All,

Happy new year!

I have encountered yet another 112 (pre s/n 381) with a nose gear indicator falsely reporting down and locked. This stems from the fact that the actuator-mounted switch and locking pin style actuator are complicated, old, and difficult to service, to the point that an ordinary maintenance shop is unlikely to even figure out how the system is supposed to function, let alone get it adjusted correctly.

On the 112 at hand, the nose light reported down-and-locked with the gear only about half way down. This occurs as the brace limit switch loses contact and hands off cycle completion to the actuator-mounted switch (which in this case was ALWAYS reporting complete).

There is a simple test I would strongly recommend that all of you do on your 112 (and "112A") airplanes s/n 1 thru 380:

Jack the plane securely. Raise the gear. Have an assistant select gear down while you lay on your creeper in front of the airplane with your foot ready to press against the nose tire as the gear comes down. Make sure your creeper is free to roll away from the airplane. The hydraulics should push your foot, and you, ALL THE WAY DOWN. If you stop getting pushed before the gear is all the way down, you have trouble in system. It is also informative to have your assistant call out when he first sees the nose indicator go green so you can tell how big a liar the indicator is.

Some of you will be horrified by what you find out!

This test can also be used for the mains altho more difficult to arrange yourself, and creeper... be careful.

The actuator locking pins have long since become ineffective on most 112's. Even if they still do "lock", they can likely be overcome and knocked out of the lock by even the most minor of shock loads on the gear during taxi or landing. For this reason, it is imperative that your system be adjusted properly to start the pump IMMEDIATELY if the gear comes out of lock, before the drag brace has a chance to go under-center, and the gear collapse. Down pressure is not maintained in the s/n 1 thru 380 system, and falls off to nil within a minute after the pump shuts off. The gear springs do help keep the gear down, but should not be your only line of defense.

I am working on a system upgrade that adds a down pressure switch and down-check valve to airplanes in this serial range. 2nd installation happening now, will keep you all informed.

Jim
 
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Green, or Not!

A not too complicated (read not too expensive) solution to upgrading the early actuator switch style gear logic would be a great step forward for those airframes. I get regular email inquiries from mechanics trying to set up the switches. Two thumbs up Jim.
 
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Pardon my ignorance but what was done with later 112's to resolve the problem? As holder of serial # 383 I've got more than a passing interest.

Thanks, and Go Broncos!
 
Green, or Not!

Short answer was to use gear position and pressure switches for pump shutdown and delete the actuator switches. There are some additional logic differences described in the Troubleshooting Guide but those are of greater interest to those debugging a problem. Made the hyper accurate setting of the early limit switch set unnecessary. The early system works fine IF adjusted properly; but there are a number of potential system setup failure points that left the gear system at risk. Later version had a little more backup safety designed in. All that said, the electrical logic of the early system was actually quite elegant but the best engineering is the least complicated system that satisfies the requirement.
 
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The AOPA sweepstakes Commander had the later pressure switch system retrofitted to it so it is certainly possible. Probably quite a few $$, however.

I learned quite a bit about this when Sven was dealing with the worn lock pins that Jim mentioned. The idea of the original system is clever - you have a mechanical lock of the actuator when the gear is down provided by the lock pin sliding into the shaft detent. The problem is that after 40 years, the edge on the lock pins have worn so that they are no longer a sharp, clean edge. And the springs that maintain the pressure to push in the pin have weakened.

You can turn the pin to expose a fresh face to the rod (only 3 times!) but that's about your only service option and you have to be pretty savvy to even know that you can do that - your average mechanic would never even guess it. Sven had fabricated some custom pins, springs, and even the collar that holds the pin onto the main piston assembly. Pretty expensive work but beautifully done. If you search around the forums here you can probably find some of that info.

Ken Andrews will never have to worry about the worn pins on 82J :)
 
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I read these posts and every time I land s/n 27 and she settles to the runway I expect to see the prop stop :eek:

I would be an early adopter of your retrofit kit Mr. Richards !

Tony
 
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Hi All,

Gear collapses continue...

I have put some of my earlier forum advice down on a printable sheet for those interested. There is pertinent Maintenance Manual information, and excellent other advice available here on the COG site, but dealing with these gear systems day-in day-out has given rise to special methods and criteria we use.

This sort of written procedural stuff is always open for comment, improvement, and simplification. Your comments, calls, and airplanes, are always welcome.

Jim
 

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Jim
If these observations, bulletins and shared experiences save one incident then they have done their job, thank you so much for sharing these issues with us.
Fred
 
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Good write-up Jim. Thanks.
 
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Hi All,

My recent gear system advice needed a clarification that pin-lock actuators (112 s/n 1 thru 380) generally cannot be adjusted to achieve any appreciable actuation cushion (but are cursed to dwell on the hairy edge).

Revised attached.

Jim
 

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Thanks Jim for the special inspection procedures.
Mark Davis
1355J
 
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