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French Lick Insights
- Thread starter wab003
- Start date
Cincinnati, OH
- Aircraft Year
- 1998
- Aircraft Type
- 114TC/115TC
- Reg Number
- N114AD
- Serial Number
- 20020
"Klinko"? As in Cleco?? ;-)
Cincinnati, OH
- Aircraft Year
- 1998
- Aircraft Type
- 114TC/115TC
- Reg Number
- N114AD
- Serial Number
- 20020
This is why you want to periodically check all the bolts in the nose gear area. Especially the upper gear actuator mounting bolt. Known to bend or fracture.
idcairns
New member
New Orleans LA
- Aircraft Type
- Other
Re: French Lick Insights
Sorry to miss you guys. Events beyond control and all of that. Sounds like you had a great time. I feel I am now in great company in the Golden Tire Award sweepstakes having 'won' it in Fredericksburg and now joined by the esteemed Bill, and of course Sven.
Really missed visiting with my good Commander friends.
Sorry to miss you guys. Events beyond control and all of that. Sounds like you had a great time. I feel I am now in great company in the Golden Tire Award sweepstakes having 'won' it in Fredericksburg and now joined by the esteemed Bill, and of course Sven.
Really missed visiting with my good Commander friends.
Sherman
New member
Columbia MD & Goldvein VA
- Aircraft Year
- 1978
- Aircraft Type
- 112TCA
- Reg Number
- N112HT
- Serial Number
- 13254
Re: French Lick Insights
Right CLECO gizmo's. Thanks Bill. I was phonetically close; give me a break its been 22 years!(Thank G-d)! Bill would it be wise to just change the bolt every annual?
Also found this pic I took at the Commander Wiley Post Factory. Anyone know if those Fuselage #'s relate to any final N # on 114B's? Anyone own one of these- Wouldn't that be something! Sherman
Right CLECO gizmo's. Thanks Bill. I was phonetically close; give me a break its been 22 years!(Thank G-d)! Bill would it be wise to just change the bolt every annual?
Also found this pic I took at the Commander Wiley Post Factory. Anyone know if those Fuselage #'s relate to any final N # on 114B's? Anyone own one of these- Wouldn't that be something! Sherman
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Georgetown, DE
- Aircraft Year
- 1975
- Aircraft Type
- 112-390
- Reg Number
- N1410J
- Serial Number
- 410
Re: French Lick Insights
We missed you. I couldn't hit the little white ball straight without you there! Make sure you are in Fredricksburg next year!!!
Hi Gib,
We missed you. I couldn't hit the little white ball straight without you there! Make sure you are in Fredricksburg next year!!!
Long Island, NY (USA)
- Aircraft Year
- 1976
- Aircraft Type
- 114
- Reg Number
- N127XY
- Serial Number
- 14039
Re: French Lick Insights
Oh, go on. You hit it straight into the heather like the rest of us.
Oh, go on. You hit it straight into the heather like the rest of us.
Cortez, CO
- Aircraft Year
- 1976
- Aircraft Type
- 114 Hot Shot
- Reg Number
- N114MT
- Serial Number
- 14068
Re: French Lick Insights
A great big thanks to Bill B., Mike C. and Judi and all for a great fly in event, what a great time. I found out to old for go cart racing......Thank you Blanie and Sue for coming, it was a treat to see you both.
A great big thanks to Bill B., Mike C. and Judi and all for a great fly in event, what a great time. I found out to old for go cart racing......Thank you Blanie and Sue for coming, it was a treat to see you both.
N4843W
New member
SE MI
- Aircraft Year
- 1977
- Aircraft Type
- 114
- Reg Number
- N4843W
- Serial Number
- 14173
Re: French Lick Insights
It seems that at each fly-in, you get to spend time with someone that you have known before, but for whatever reason, had not talked to that much. So you do, and get to know them a lot better. Then you stop and have lunch with them somewhere while travelling, talk more, etc., and make a new friend somewhere far away. Is there anyone in this group who is not "interesting?" Have had lunches and visits along the way with Lonnie and his family, Ken, Pete, Byrne and many others. This trip I got to know Alex much better when I grabbed him to be cameraman for the ramp shot from the air, and Sherman when he was taking pictures for me of my broken nose(gear) and discussing options. I thought, "I have to stop and see these guys when I am travelling" -- and I will. Just a great group of people.
It seems that at each fly-in, you get to spend time with someone that you have known before, but for whatever reason, had not talked to that much. So you do, and get to know them a lot better. Then you stop and have lunch with them somewhere while travelling, talk more, etc., and make a new friend somewhere far away. Is there anyone in this group who is not "interesting?" Have had lunches and visits along the way with Lonnie and his family, Ken, Pete, Byrne and many others. This trip I got to know Alex much better when I grabbed him to be cameraman for the ramp shot from the air, and Sherman when he was taking pictures for me of my broken nose(gear) and discussing options. I thought, "I have to stop and see these guys when I am travelling" -- and I will. Just a great group of people.
T
Terry
Guest
Re: French Lick Insights
Scott, since some of us could not make the flyin this year, I was wondering exactly what happened to your nose gear. Perhaps you could let us all know what mishap occurred and how it happened? Thx.
Scott, since some of us could not make the flyin this year, I was wondering exactly what happened to your nose gear. Perhaps you could let us all know what mishap occurred and how it happened? Thx.
N4843W
New member
SE MI
- Aircraft Year
- 1977
- Aircraft Type
- 114
- Reg Number
- N4843W
- Serial Number
- 14173
Re: French Lick Insights
While being towed, one of two things happened. The first theory is that when the towbar kept slipping out of the axle, and while under pressure, came off, caught the scissors on the nose gear assembly (upper and lower drag brace) and broke the torque tube casting. (see pix.) But Mechanic on the field told me yesterday, he thought the nose gear assembly was torqued in an excessive turn and cracked off that way. He noticed that the "stop pin" in the trunion is bent to the right (you can see it if you look closely in the first pic) and we all missed that. Whichever, the entire assembly was shipped to Welch Machine and it is there now, undergoing repair. Methinks I shall paint the pin (aka the "nipple" or the "tit") a nice day-glo pink and the stops (aka the "ears") day glo green.)
The airport mgr felt horrible, offered to pay everything immediately and has been all over it, following the package on the computer, confirming delivery, etc. etc.
While being towed, one of two things happened. The first theory is that when the towbar kept slipping out of the axle, and while under pressure, came off, caught the scissors on the nose gear assembly (upper and lower drag brace) and broke the torque tube casting. (see pix.) But Mechanic on the field told me yesterday, he thought the nose gear assembly was torqued in an excessive turn and cracked off that way. He noticed that the "stop pin" in the trunion is bent to the right (you can see it if you look closely in the first pic) and we all missed that. Whichever, the entire assembly was shipped to Welch Machine and it is there now, undergoing repair. Methinks I shall paint the pin (aka the "nipple" or the "tit") a nice day-glo pink and the stops (aka the "ears") day glo green.)
The airport mgr felt horrible, offered to pay everything immediately and has been all over it, following the package on the computer, confirming delivery, etc. etc.
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Austin, TX
- Aircraft Year
- 1976
- Aircraft Type
- 114
- Reg Number
- N114BL
- Serial Number
- 14003
Re: French Lick Insights
Yeah... that second theory sounds more likely. Even though I was in the first camp, I wasn't sure that the tow could have jumped high enough to catch the scissor.
Yeah... that second theory sounds more likely. Even though I was in the first camp, I wasn't sure that the tow could have jumped high enough to catch the scissor.
painlesspotter
New member
Concord, Ca.
- Aircraft Year
- 1977
- Aircraft Type
- 114
- Reg Number
- N4887W
- Serial Number
- 14217
Re: French Lick Insights
Scott----can the casting be repaired? Seems replacement is the only option.
Sherman
New member
Columbia MD & Goldvein VA
- Aircraft Year
- 1978
- Aircraft Type
- 112TCA
- Reg Number
- N112HT
- Serial Number
- 13254
Re: French Lick Insights
Scott/David: Again, last night a longer note on this got "No-wi-fi cyberspaced". If the 'new' 2nd theory is correct, then that means the casted area by the 'stops' are 'stronger' than the casting was where the pin that attaches the scissors upper is. We also discussed the casting area where the Nose gear steering cables attached and if that area was 'an area for concern'.
Scott-The bottom line is with a new Billett\ Trunnion- you'll never have to worry again. Think of the incident as a blessing in disguise! Sherman
Scott/David: Again, last night a longer note on this got "No-wi-fi cyberspaced". If the 'new' 2nd theory is correct, then that means the casted area by the 'stops' are 'stronger' than the casting was where the pin that attaches the scissors upper is. We also discussed the casting area where the Nose gear steering cables attached and if that area was 'an area for concern'.
Scott-The bottom line is with a new Billett\ Trunnion- you'll never have to worry again. Think of the incident as a blessing in disguise! Sherman
Hilton Head Island, SC
- Aircraft Year
- 19777
- Aircraft Type
- 112TCA
- Reg Number
- Formerly N4642W
- Serial Number
- 13172
Re: French Lick Insights
Scott, Before leaving FL we went out to the airport and was wondering why you were still there. That same thing happened to me in 42W years ago @Waukeegan, IL when they towed me to parking. Fortunately Commander was still alive and well, so replaced the broken parts with new. I then painted the stops with red nail polish, no more problems. Hope you are now home.
Blaine
Scott, Before leaving FL we went out to the airport and was wondering why you were still there. That same thing happened to me in 42W years ago @Waukeegan, IL when they towed me to parking. Fortunately Commander was still alive and well, so replaced the broken parts with new. I then painted the stops with red nail polish, no more problems. Hope you are now home.
Blaine
N4843W
New member
SE MI
- Aircraft Year
- 1977
- Aircraft Type
- 114
- Reg Number
- N4843W
- Serial Number
- 14173
Re: French Lick Insights
Thanks, Blaine ... man, it was great seeing both you and Sue! What a fantastic surprise for all of us. i am painting the "nipple" day glo red and the stops (ears) day glo green!
Thanks, Blaine ... man, it was great seeing both you and Sue! What a fantastic surprise for all of us. i am painting the "nipple" day glo red and the stops (ears) day glo green!
Prentiss, MS
- Aircraft Year
- 1977
- Aircraft Type
- Super Commander
- Reg Number
- N4959W
- Serial Number
- 14279
Blane thanks so much for making the trip was great to see u and sue. 
Sherman
New member
Columbia MD & Goldvein VA
- Aircraft Year
- 1978
- Aircraft Type
- 112TCA
- Reg Number
- N112HT
- Serial Number
- 13254
Re: French Lick Insights
I thought we were going to triple safety wire the scissors and embed in Marine Tex!