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Commander down, glad all ok

Dober said:
... I will gladly pay the extra dinero to rent a C172 owned by the school.
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Just make sure you have plenty of renter's insurance. If anything happens there will always be a way for the school and/or their insurer to come after you.

As for using your own airplane, I know some schools will do so if they are added to your policy as "additional insured". To my knowledge the independent flight instructors don't have that requirement. So, perhaps look around for someone at your field is an independent instructor.
 
FS said:
Just make sure you have plenty of renter's insurance. If anything happens there will always be a way for the school and/or their insurer to come after you.

As for using your own airplane, I know some schools will do so if they are added to your policy as "additional insured". To my knowledge the independent flight instructors don't have that requirement. So, perhaps look around for someone at your field is an independent instructor.
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i use 2 freelance instructors under exactly like that.
 
This has got me thinking a lot about instructors and Bi Annuals. Where I am sure that in the back of my mind I knew the Instructor would be PIC if my biannual was expired I had never considered a low time no Commander instructor wanting to take over the controls.

First point is does my insurance cover an instructor with just 250 hours and only the required 10 hours in complex and no Commander experience . We tend to think of an instructor with loads of experience and knowledge, witch very often is the case.

I got a biannual a few years ago and found out later that his ratings had expired, he even put the expired date in my logbook. All instructors are not the same and sometimes we will grab a bad one just to stay legal.

Life is a barrel of fun.

Ken
 
I am fortunate, my instructor is on my insurance because he uses my plane from time to time. This gives him added incentive to not mess it up.
 
I do my BFR in rented aircraft, typically when I'm on vacation in the US. I think that part of the Ground Review, should be a discussion of what will take place during the flight and off course reviewing the experience level of the instructor.
 
Pat, I've been out of pocket for awhile. Just got off the phone with Roy Williams and he told me about your bird. I'm real glad everyone was able to walk away. Evidently your "CFI" didn't know the gear on the Commander is a boat anchor. Low level emergency maneuvers are something to do hypothetically with an instructor not in actuality unless it is agreed beforehand and demonstrated successfully at altitude. The insurance I've looked at says 750 total, 250 complex and 25 in make and model for anyone but the policy holder to fly it. You had a beautiful bird and I hope your next one is out there somewhere soon.
 
Glad you walked away from this, sounds like there were a number of opportunities for a far worse outcome.
On a general point: over the years I’ve owned my Commander I’ve never managed to carry out my biennial flight with any instructor having more than a few hours on type. I love watching them jump out of their skins when the gear alarm bell starts off, wonder why they yaw all over the place during retraction and react way too late when the nose points towards the left edge of the runway when they open the throttle. My “Watch This”! Moment came when one instructor insisted I was rotating at too high a speed, his PA28 experience shone through. I asked him to demonstrate this new take off technique and he diligently tried to lift the nose at 55, you can guess the rest.
The reality in this country is that most Commander owners are flying their biennial with instructors with no Commander experience, often as part of an IR or other rating renewal, often not even in a Commander. There is no requirement here to do a biennial flight in a high performance aircraft, EASA doesn’t even have that category, SEP is anything with a piston engine and one prop. There is no set plan for a biennial flight either. You can do anything with an instructor onboard and as long as it’s an hour flight.
Perhaps the downturn in airline jobs will mean the hour builder instructors will be replaced by seasoned out of work captains with a little more real world experience.
 
I am very fortunate. My instructor is clear about his lack of time in a Commander and doesn't make any comments about take off and landings that isn't applicable to the situation. Not - I can do this better - let me show up -- but - your line up was off and you were trying to ease into a correction, why not correct it quicker, then you have less to deal with later on? --- or --- we were talking about steep turns and at 8500' we have a little room below us, I asked him to show me - and he said, sure, that almost all planes will behave the same way. I also did some 60 degree turns (beyond requirements) - those were fun! (not pretty - but - fun).

I count myself lucky in the instructor I found.

Dean
 
Hi, I have just read this and could not believe what I was reading. I’m so glad you are all ok. I’m Alan and new in here.
 
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