114 Hot Shot

[carllee]

On Friday I signed a contract with Camarillo Aircraft Service to take over their 114 turbo normalizer program.This will be renamed the 114 Hot Shot. I expect to have all of the related parts added to the Fly In Vacations PMA list in 60 – 90 days. Once this is done, installations can begin immediately.


These are my plans for developing the program:


1) Initial installations will be made exactly as approved by the current design specifications, with the exception of a minor design change to correct some problems that CAS was having with the exhaust system, and turbo mounting brackets, and to add a provision for the future addition of an intercooler.


2) Approval and installation of an intercooler system. Once this system is approved, it would be a 30 minute, or less, bolt on item for anyone with a 114 Hot Shot, and could be added to any of the earlier CAS turbo normalized 114's as well.


3) Approval of the I0540-T4B5 engine, and 114B.


In order to start this program I need the help of 4-5 seriously interested parties. The CAS turbo normalizer system was being offered at $32,000. For the first 5 systems, I am shooting for an installed price of around $25,000, and will throw in an intercooler at whatever my cost is, once approved.


If interested please contact me directly at: carlrobinlee@msn.com 805-215-2982

 

[ksandrew]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Great news Carl, much awaited.

Ken

 

[wel@wilroff.nl]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

that sounds super carl.

what will the performance be for the 114 hotshot? what is the benefit of the intercooler?

totally agree with the question of lonnie.. io580? a 200 kts commander .... now that would be really nice .. get in league with the sr22 performance

 

[plight]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Carl,

Great work!

 

[jmcb]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Carl,

This is great news! After seeing your 112 Hot Shot in person, I believe your exceptional attention to detail will provide a superior system to what CAS had been offering. I am definitely interested in your system and I am hopeful that the others members in the fleet will take advantage of your offer and get this off to a great start.

 

[MSBradley]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Great Carl,

I am very interested in this.

Will it apply to my T4A5D?

 

[N4843W]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Carl ... great job. It would be helpful to see performance numbers. I am reading into this that the dual mag bendix is not part of the program?

 

[carllee]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Great Carl,

I am very interested in this.

Will it apply to my T4A5D?

Yes, It applies imidiately to the IO-540-T4B5D and IO-540-T4A5D, the 114 and 114A.

The I0540-T4B5, 114B will need to be added later.

The IO580, an STC on an STC? That would be a tough one

 

[neald]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Carl ... great job. It would be helpful to see performance numbers. I am reading into this that the dual mag bendix is not part of the program?

Guys.. dual mag was on the original STC. Carl is planning to add the "normal" mag setup so as to be able to sell to 114B owners.

Regards,
Neal

 

[carllee]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Carl ... great job. It would be helpful to see performance numbers. I am reading into this that the dual mag bendix is not part of the program?

Hi Scott,

Like Neal said the original dual mag bendix set-up, what is found on the 114/114A is what is curently covered by the STC.

 

[carllee]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

that sounds super carl.

what will the performance be for the 114 hotshot? what is the benefit of the intercooler?

totally agree with the question of lonnie.. io580? a 200 kts commander .... now that would be really nice .. get in league with the sr22 performance

At 18,000ft there is 50% less air pressure than at sea level, so a naturally aspirated engine produces 50% less horse power. A turbo normalized engine uses a turbo charger to pressurize the air to sea level pressure before it enters the engine, no matter what altitude you are flying, so you can maintain the engines full rated horsepower into the higher altitudes. At higher altitudes The “thinner” air produces less drag. The combination of less drag and the engine's full rated horsepower equals speed.

As an example, at 12,000ft a naturally aspirated 114 will “make” about 185-190 horsepower. A 114HS would “make” 260. 12K is a great cruising altitude, below the need for oxygen, above all of the Cessna flak, below the commercial air traffic, ATC loves you there.

All modern turbo charger systems have intercoolers. The turbo charger pressurizes the air before it enters the engine. As the air passes through the turbocharger it is also heated. An intercooler is essentially an air to air radiator that goes between the turbo charger and the engine to cool the air before it enters the engine. Cooler air contains more oxygen molecules. This allows the engine to run more efficiently, cooler, and produce more power with less fuel. All future CAS turbo normalized 114's/114 Hot Shots will have a provision for the future installation of an intercooler.

 

[N4843W]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

This sounds great. Much more affordable that a Super Commander. OK, not as fast, but price/value looks compelling. I am interested, but realistically, 2 years out from overhaul so I would probably wait till then. I will send you an email with a couple of ideas.

 

[davloose]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Yeah... want it bad, but I'm a few years out from having 25 to 32 large...

 

[FS]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Yeah... want it bad, but I'm a few years out from having 25 to 32 large...

Which might work out just fine.

By then Carl will likely have approval to install the 114HS on the -T4B5 (split Slick magnetos), and Lycoming will likely still have a deal to upgrade a -T4A5D to the -T4B5 during overhaul. So you get the overhaul at around $30k, plus the 114HS at $30k, plus the STC to install the -T4B5 from Aerodyme ($?k), and you're all set for something in the $75k range, installed.

Start saving those pennies now.

 

[davloose]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Just extrapolating the performance tables for 75% power up to 12,000 feet (standard atmosphere)... I would guess an early 114 would get 158 KIAS, versus 134 KIAS normally aspirated.

The later ones (sn 14150 & subs) would get 162 versus 142...

If I'm off I'll return a portion of the money Carl paid me to say that...

Frank, I assume I'll be able to pick up a Super Commander engine for nothing after Lonnie trades it in for this...

 

[plight]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Add in Jim's Elevator mod and our 114's should get 169.

 

[jakoehn]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Hmm,using Davids calculations,some things never change,all mods have the same common denominator $1000.00/knot.I looked at it years ago shortly after I went on a demo flight they quit offering it, great for flying in the Mountain States in the summer!

Juergen Koehn
N5893N
114A/GT

 

[FS]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Frank, I assume I'll be able to pick up a Super Commander engine for nothing after Lonnie trades it in for this...

Even better idea: Maybe Carl will be receiving a list of all 114s that already had the turbo normalizer installed while it was being sold by Camarillo. Then, sell your 114 and buy one that already has the kit.

Ian's got one, but I don't think he's looking to sell anytime soon.

(Actually, I am curious to know how many 114s are out there with the Camarillo kit already installed. I don't think it was offered for very long before they decided to stop marketing it.)

 

[carllee]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Even better idea: Maybe Carl will be receiving a list of all 114s that already had the turbo normalizer installed while it was being sold by Camarillo. Then, sell your 114 and buy one that already has the kit.

Ian's got one, but I don't think he's looking to sell anytime soon.

(Actually, I am curious to know how many 114s are out there with the Camarillo kit already installed. I don't think it was offered for very long before they decided to stop marketing it.)

They said there are 11. At least two are overseas. They say they stopped because they didn't like working with the FAA and were having problems with the exhaust. I am going to correct this problem before continuing with any more installations, not just to correct the problems they were experiencing, but as I said earlier, to make a provision for the future installation of an intercooler. I think the existing design is ok and should continue to serve those who have it just fine, but there is room for improvement.

I intend to take the best from both the 112HS and the CAS114 and blend them into a "first class" turbo normalizing program for the Commander.

I don't know if we will ever be able to overcome the stigma of being slow, but there will be nothing slow about a 112 or 114 Hot Shot.

All of your feedback, input, and support is appreciated.

Thanks,

 

[idcairns]

Re: 114 Hot Shot

Just extrapolating the performance tables for 75% power up to 12,000 feet (standard atmosphere)... I would guess an early 114 would get 158 KIAS, versus 134 KIAS normally aspirated.

The later ones (sn 14150 & subs) would get 162 versus 142...

If I'm off I'll return a portion of the money Carl paid me to say that...

Frank, I assume I'll be able to pick up a Super Commander engine for nothing after Lonnie trades it in for this...

I don't see anything close to that. My aircraft was the test plane for the STC and was in the experimental category for three years. I have all the test data in the plane logs. Don't have them in front of me but it seems the plane needed to be somewhere close to 18k to see better than 160 kts.

I have spent a ton of time trying to wring out a few knots more, added flap gap seals, pork chop doors, factory rigging check, etc. Still hasn't reached the potential of the plane. Maybe it was just a slow plane to start with. :